The Final Conclusion

Several long years passed, since i first read, and lurked around the site. Even more since i first posted a reply, and the first main post i did.

I can`t even rembemer anymore what it was. I think it was a mathematical equation explaining why pickup artists spread out more, while normal guys might seem a minority? Doesnt really matters either, i think i lost track of the original reason for me being here the first year.

Now, in retrospect, i have to say, the original goal has been accomplished, just not the way i expected. Originally i wanted to know what puts women off initially, and what are the mistakes men do later, that i should avoid if i ever want a relationship.

I am happy to say, that i rather put my head in an experimental fusion reactor to see whats wrong before i consider a relationship now. And i know there is no way i could ever be good enough for the type who… actually, forget that, just for any of them. There is nothing to learn that would actually help, besides the realisation, that i actually dodged not a bullet, but an artillery shell when i beleived myself to be unlucky with women.

Come to think of it. In a way the negativity, shaming language, nonsensical responses, pure irrationality and the steaming hatred that i encountered did help after all, and i did learn something.

I learned that no matter what you do, as long as you have a dick between your leg, you will allways be at fault, for what? For everything including the bad weather.

If you cheat you are a scumbag, but if you are faithful, well you are still a scumbag, you are just a loser too, because apparently you didn`t cheat only because you never had an opportunity.

If you disagree with whatever she says, that means your a misoginyst. If she says the sky is pink, and you say its blue. “MISOGINY!!!” And lets not even get started what happens if you agree with everything she says.

Try to be kind to her, and she will think you are trying to get into her pants, be crass, and you are a neanderthal. But apparently she only sleeps with neanderthals, so if your into that, you know your choice. If you wanted something more, too bad, she allready knows you just wanted to sleep with her, the more you protest, the more guilty you are in her eyes.

And this will be just one of the many things where she will tell you how she knows better what you think, as you yourself. First evidence of their telepathic powers. The second one is that they are really suprised, when it turns out you are not. Telepathic that is, because you were supposed to know what she was thinking, even if her only words were some degradory comment on one of your activities, after she got pissed.

And what else did i learn? Of course, lets not forget that all men are rapist, child eating abominations of nature. Your y chromosome is a mutation. (Never mind that pretty much enything else is too.) Yuck, get away from me you filty mutant. And you are all stupid, lazy slobs, usless, and you should be weeded out. But somehow these lasy slobs opressed her for millions of years. Yes, you heard it right, you specificly opressed all women trough the centuries, and therefore she is a victim too, nevermind that she was not alive at those time, or that their supposed slavery its a big fat lie in the first place. Oh wait, you pointed out to her that she is wrong. Big mistake, women are never wrong, about anything. Didn`t you knew that? You filty, stupid neandarthal, you beast, you… MAN!*Please imagine the word being said as if you would describe foot fungus.*

And there is no escape, there is no forgiveness, you are automaticly guilty for everything you father and their fathers did. (Nevermind that they were their fathers as well.) That you yourself might have done nothing, doesnt counts. You have that ugly thing between your legs, that automaticly makes you her opressor, rapist, and whatever else she feels like calling you. And how you yourself behave, what you do, doesnt makes an inkling of a difference.

So my end conclusion, is this:
Why bother? They call you a monster either way, might as well act monstrous. Except neither i, nor the others seems to feel like it, its more fun to go home, sit down to the computer and play some video games. Even pixels from a 20 year old game are more attractive as any of them.

And there is no more rage, the anger is fading too, until the only thing i have for them, is my apathy. I care more for the Costa Rican Golden Toad that went extinct as for women.

This post was submitted by Muzolf.

31 Responses to “The Final Conclusion”

  1. georgiana says:

    “If you cheat you are a scumbag, but if you are faithful, well you are still a scumbag, you are just a loser too, because apparently you didn`t cheat only because you never had an opportunity.”

    Nope, I dont know any women with that attitude (other than if you cheat youre a scumbag)

    “If you disagree with whatever she says, that means your a misoginyst”

    I dont know any women who do that. I hear women on this site call men misogynists when they justify why their self centered ways and why they should have the upperhand in situations. Most men are misogynists and dont realize it. Men have ruled the world for over 90% of human existence. The male superiority complex is ingrained in most men. You Muzolf did it in the other thread about sexual double standards and you just pretty much went like “oh well thats the way it is its cool for men to be slutty but when women do it theyre bad…not fair but the way it is” That sort of enabling attitude that destroys women and lifts men up is a good example.

    “Try to be kind to her, and she will think you are trying to get into her pants, be crass, and you are a neanderthal.”

    That makes no sense. Women dont think men that are kind are neanderthals. I agree most men that are kind to you do just want to get in your pants, but they arent neanderthals by default.

    “And what else did i learn? Of course, lets not forget that all men are rapist, child eating abominations of nature. Your y chromosome is a mutation.”

    Uh, well, yes…over 90% of rapes and sexual molestations are done by men. It does happen the reverse and when it does, its equally bad, just doesnt happen very much. Also, male on male is just as bad as male on female. So no, not every male is a rapist but over 90% of rapists are men.

    “And you are all stupid, lazy slobs, usless…But somehow these lasy slobs opressed her for millions of years. Yes, you heard it right, you specificly opressed all women trough the centuries”

    Men have oppressed women for most of human existence. Its a fact. The group with more power (whether race, gender, religion) does this. I dont think men today that Ive interacted with have oppressed women for centuries…few women think that. Men today still oppress women though

  2. flipflop says:

    I agree that men shouldn’t have relationships with women, just have sex, but i disagree, not every woman is like the women on this site, in my country(italy) it’s a tiny minority, there’s not that much thing about rapists, but there’s the usual things that there are no good men left, entitlement, extreme shallowness, extreme narcissism.

  3. Androgynous says:

    You are just being the other side of the coin Muzolf. Women complain about men and you are complaining about women. There is no essential difference between you and say HoneyBunch or Georgiana.

    You are saying that you want women but you don’t want to be inconvienced(sp?) or pay the ‘entrance fee.’ You are angry and upset because women don’t think and value the way you want them to. Georgiana is doing the exact same thing only with men.

    Do the things and/or become the person that women are attracted to. If you can’t do these things then accept the consequences. Muzolf you are like the employee who demands a weekly salary of £1000.00 when he only puts in £100.00 worth of effort. Men often grade women by numbers. i.e. “she’s a 7′ etc. Well a man who is poorly dressed, lacks confidence, has nothing worth hearing to say, and seems way too eager gets rated a 0 by women. It doesn’t matter if he is very handsome, a mumbling, shabbily dressed man is a complete washout with women? Why? Well for one every women will know that this 0 simply won’t be able to ‘defend the nest’ he simply isn’t up to it. So women who are looking for relationships because they desire children at some point are NOT going to get involved with such an obvious sub-par man. A man who is clearly incapable of defending her and their children stands no chance with attractive women. Even ugly women will feel that they are scraping the bottom of the barrell if they take up with him.

    Dating is a game Muzolf, and like every other game it has rules and ways of behaving. You are demanding that the rules of the game shouldn’t apply to you while all the while insisting that women follow the rules of the game to the letter.

    Women are judged initially and for a long time after upon their looks. Men are judged for their present of future earning potential. No doubt men and women are deeply irked by this but if you won’t play the game by the rules then it is better not to play the game, than to play half-heartedly, sulking all the while.

    Men make yourself acceptable to women or don’t. it is that simple. Accept the consequences of your decision.

    Women make yourself acceptable to men or don’t, accept the consequences of your decision.

    Accept the rules of the game without constantly wishing they were different or complaining loudly that they shouldn’t apply to you.

    A lot of men today behave like sub-par males, and a lot of women have a severe case of entitlement.

  4. Androgynous says:

    “So no, not every male is a rapist but over 90% of rapists are men.”

    Georgiana as the law states only women can be raped it is not surprising that most rapists are men. If a man or a biological man had a penis forceable inserted into them it unlike women would not be called rape. It would be rape in every essential detail but as they law states that only females can be raped this rape gets called ‘sexual assualt.’ I wonder how many males that get sexually assaulted never report it to the police?

    I had a hugely embarrassing conversation with my mother about this on Saturday night. My mother is concerned that I might be sending out the ‘wrong signals.’ Oddly enough I had never thought that I might be sexually assaulted but now it is in my head. I take comfort though by examining the statistics. These statistics show that males are at a much higher risk of attack than females and people like me.

    A woman forcing a man to penetrate her against his will should be charged with rape in my mind. Female teachers who have sex with male pupils are not only paedophiles but rapists.

  5. ProtoEve says:

    Very well said androgynous.

    Muzolf, interesting read although a bit depressing. You have to consider that the majority of the women here dislike men to the point of hate and have had some horrible experiences with men, so you shouldn’t make conclusions based on the opinions here, some of which are very extreme.

  6. georgiana says:

    Men are valued for their abilities while women are valued for their looks.

    Men hold more power in our society and can get away with selfish behavior while women are bashed over it.

    THATS why I don’t like men. Has nothing to do with being “inconvienced”

    Equality and respect are foreign concepts to men. Few men respect women and most men hate equality… they want it how it was before where they can treat women like cattle. Most men today are still misogynists sorry.

    Andrygynous you can try to turn this around on me however you want, but men have ruled the world and still do and WOMEN are expected to be better people, to compromise, to roll over and be valued for looks/sex/how we stroke a guy’s ego. Nope.

  7. So…does this mean your leaving?

  8. ProtoEve says:

    “I take comfort though by examining the statistics. These statistics show that males are at a much higher risk of attack than females and people like me.”

    Those statistics include prison rape which skews the statistics. Outside in the free world women are a much more likely target, so listen to your mom and take precautions. Not saying that you should live in fear and paranoia, but just be aware of your surroundings.

  9. Zombified says:

    lol @honeybunch

    @Muzolf
    i sometimes wonder why women hold us to such high standards. your rant was a bit long but i agree that it’s an unfair truth that women expect us to think like them, know their every mood and how to make them feel better. they really expect quite a bit and it reminds me of a joke…. :D

    how to treat a woman:
    wine her. dine her. call her. hold her. surprise her. compliment her. smile at her. listen to her. laugh with her. cry with her. romance her. encourage her. believe in her. pray with her. pray for her. cuddle with her. shop with her. give her jewelry. buy her flowers. hold her hand. write love letters to her. go to the ends of the earth and back again for her.

    how to treat a man:
    show up naked. bring chicken wings and beer. don’t block the tv.

  10. Zombified says:

    ok, one more since Androgynous brought up rules.

    rules by which females are governed:

    the female always makes the rules.
    the rules are subject to change at any time without prior notification…by the female.
    no male can possibly know all the rules.
    if the female suspects the male knows all the rules, she must immediately change some or all of them.
    the female is never wrong.
    if the female is wrong, it is due to a misunderstanding which was a direct result of something the male did or said wrong.
    the male must apologize immediately for causing the misunderstandings.
    the female may change her mind at any time.
    the male must never change his mind without the express written consent of the female.
    the female has every right to be angry or upset at any time.
    the male must remain calm at all times, unless the female wants him to be angry or upset.
    the female must, under no circumstances, let the male know whether or not she wants him to be angry or upset.
    the male is expected to “mind read” at all times.
    the male who doesn’t abide by the rules; can’t take the heat, lacks backbone, and is a wimp!
    any attempt to document the rules could result in bodily harm.
    the female is ready when she is ready.
    the male must be ready at all times.

  11. Muzolf says:

    “You are just being the other side of the coin Muzolf. Women complain about men and you are complaining about women. There is no essential difference between you and say HoneyBunch or Georgiana.”

    BULLSHIT! Point out the posts where i called all women child killers, where i said all women are stupid, where i said anything that is even close to the hate speech of georgiana, or the blatant double standards and hipocricy of honeybunch!

    You will find none, nada, nothing that could even be compared to what was tossed my way. And i am sick and tired explaining over and over again, basic realities like that “Men” are not the Borg who share a common will, or that later generations cannot be held accountable for something that happened 1000 years ago, even if wans`t mostly feminist lies in the first place.

    “honeybunch2k10 says:
    October 28, 2013 at 7:00 pm So…does this mean your leaving?”

    Drop dead, honey.

  12. Muzolf says:

    And who te hell was talking about Dating anyway? My complaint was about the assumtions they make about me just for having a dick.

    But your assumtions about how attractive or pelasant a person i must be are a nice exemple too. Thanks

  13. georgiana says:

    “show up naked. bring chicken wings and beer. don’t block the tv”

    Uhhh yeah right. Men expect women to cook and clean for them, do most of the work to take care of any children you had together, never age, look good all the time, put up with their mean self centered ways because they are “just being a guy” (making comments about other women or oogling them, flirting with other women, watching football constantly more than seeing you, watching porn instead of having sex with you, I could go on and on but those are the most common ones I hear), never take offense from n their emotional neglect

  14. Muzolf says:

    “Men have oppressed women for most of human existence”

    As usual, georgiana, you have no clue what opression means, you had no history education, but only what lies feminists have fed to you.

    Women were never, an opressed minority you try to make it to be. The only opression women faced in european (and by extension, colonial.. read american) culture was the same men have faced by an elite, wich had men and women in it. Male nobles had their wifes, who were equally cruel when given the chance to rule.

    And you aren`t opressed now either, you are just having a victim mentality, and complain about minor things that cannot be legislated, and are pale in comparison to the problems men face because of their sex.

    For exemple this:
    “Outside in the free world women are a much more likely target”

    Is just another lie, every statisctic that doesnt omits men as possible victims shows, that men are much more likely to be victims of violent crimes as women. Our culture has an aversion against hurning women, no such inhibitions exists against hurting men, just the opposite, they are the expendable gender.

  15. ProtoEve says:

    “Is just another lie, every statisctic that doesnt omits men as possible victims shows, that men are much more likely to be victims of violent crimes as women.”

    I wasn’t talking about violent crimes in general but about sexual assaults in the free world i.e. with the exclusion of prison rape.

  16. Zombified says:

    “Men expect women to cook and clean for them”
    haven’t experienced this once in my life but yea, i’m sure there are guys like that.

    “do most of the work to take care of any children you had together”
    i wouldn’t say men expect it but if you’re not working….

    “never age”
    give me a break.

    “look good all the time”
    that’s actually a woman thing. when y’all look like dolls we wanna throw water on you.

    “put up with their mean self centered ways because they are “just being a guy””
    sometimes there’s a reason for it and sometimes they’re just a douche bag. are you saying women never do anything wrong, they’re never annoying? y’all are never mean, self centered and all women are just levitating above all men?…

    “making comments about other women or oogling them, flirting with other women, watching football constantly more than seeing you, watching porn instead of having sex with you, I could go on and on but those are the most common ones I hear”
    i think this is a legitimate argument but women aren’t much different. i mean the comments, oogling, flirting, watching reality shows and soaps, having sex with other guys instead of you because you forgot the monthly anniversary of the first kiss. i could go on and on as well.

    “never take offense from their emotional neglect”
    again, this is completely understandable complaint in some cases but when women expect us to mind read to know how and why they feel the way they do and make them feel better we sometimes just give up on any bad mood that comes our way. we shouldn’t but we do.

    wait, didn’t i clarify that i was joking? if it helps i also like being wined, dined, called, held, surprised, complimented, smiled at, listened to, laughed with, cried with (if i were to cry but i don’t cause i’m a MAN! :D ), romanced, encouraged, believed in, prayed for and with, cuddled and written love letters to. just so you have references when we start going steady ;) .

  17. Mimi says:

    ‘Men are judged for their present of future earning potential.’

    Am I the only woman who does not care about a man’s earning potential? This comes last on my list. Yes, I want the man to work (unless for temporary circumstances out of his control or if permanently disabled), simply because I do and we all have to. In fact, I know I am not the only woman like that because I hear many woman say the same. They will look for complicity, qualities like being intelligent, funny, caring, and finding the man physically attractive. But money is rarely on the list, so why this widespread belief that women are interested in a man’s wallet above all?

  18. georgiana says:

    In the 1950s men were judged on their wallets. Most women today don’t marry men that make a ton more money than them (unless youre a celebrity maybe) Its widely overexaggerated…golddigging does happen, but very rarely, its just another way to oppress women.

    Oh and by the way, I don’t know any men that want to date a girl that makes very little money, so men have become more like women now.

    Times have changed. Well whoops, let me correct…women have changed. Men have not. Men have just gotten to be more obsessed with looks than they have in the past.

  19. Muzolf says:

    What Florence Nightingale said still stands it seems.

    Women scream at you for sympathy all day, but don`t ever expect any in return. They are incapable of it.

  20. tyciol says:

    >Androgynous: “A man who is clearly incapable of defending her and their children stands no chance with attractive women.”

    I assume you mean attractive women who want to have children since that was what you were talking about previously in the paragraph?

    Even if that’s the case though, a woman wanting to reproduce does not necessarily choose her mate based on whether or not he can be a defender to her or to them. There’s an overwhelming tendency for that, sure, but it’s not a guaranteed rule. Men certainly can choose females to reproduce with without expecting her to protect him or the kids, so women can choose men based on other reasons too.

    I mean heck, some women cuckold men who provide for them and kids and choose to reproduce with guys who aren’t around to serve either role. So clearly there’s no rule here as you insinuate.

    >Androgynous: “Female teachers who have sex with male pupils are not only paedophiles but rapists.”

    That’s complete bullshit. You’re only a rapist if you have sex with someone without consent. Unlawful sex with a minor is not rape. People who term USWAM as “statutory rape” are morons. It’s also wrong to call those teachers pedophiles. First off, pedophilia is about prepubescence (have not started puberty) and the majority of these cases are with teen boys who are in the middle of puberty. Even in cases where boys are prepubescent, pedophilia is an obsession with prepubescence and a 1-time thing would not necessarily indicate the teacher has a fixation on those characteristics.

    >Georgina “Men are valued for their abilities while women are valued for their looks.”

    You speak as if this is all there is. Men are also valued for looks (if they are good) and women are valued for their abilities (if they are good).

    >Georgina “Men hold more power in our society and can get away with selfish behavior while women are bashed over it. THATS why I don’t like men. ”

    What a crock. So if a man wants to selfishly only pay for his own life and not pay child support or alimony, he isn’t chastised as a ‘deadbeat’ and sent to debtor’s prison if he refuses? Women lack the power to determine whether or not they want to reproduce by having access to post-conception birth control options? I seem to remember it being men who lack such options and resulting power. Even supposing you actually were right, you would not like a member of a group simply due to them holding more power and having more freedoms? I guess I can relate to that, it’s like how I hate rich people who inherit wealth and don’t give me some.

    >ProtoEve: “Those statistics include prison rape which skews the statistics. Outside in the free world women are a much more likely target”

    Statistics are also skewed because men are less likely to understand if they have been raped, less likely to report being raped, and less likely to have those accusations taken seriously. I mean heck, we can’t even get forced envelopement called rape half the time. You can “men are shamed from reporting due to patriarchy” all you like but that doesn’t change the reality.

    >Zombified: “how to treat a woman: wine her; how to treat a man: bring beer”

    Such alcohol focus, surely one can get laid without getting drunk, especially in comitted relationships. CM Punk would not approve.

    >Georgina: “Men expect women to cook and clean for them”

    Maybe SOME do. In some cases, women act like they’re “expected” to do it, when the reality might actually be that some men don’t enjoy cleaning or cooking enough to do it. We’re not necessarily expecting a woman to do it for us, we just may just have a higher tolerence for dirt or TV dinners. I mean fuck it’s like… if the place gets dusty enough, I’d totally vacuum once every month or two, can I help it if someone is more squeamish and insists on doing it every other day? Should I be pressured into their excessive standards of hygiene? If women don’t want to do those things, just don’t do them. If it gets bad enough, a guy will eventually do them. Or, if he leaves you for a woman who will do them, realize that it’s part of a service package that both members of a couple bring to a couple when evaluating each other’s value for relationships. Much like how men are often expected to be protectors or do heavy lifting. If it’s fine for women to reject delicate pacifist men as unsexy then it’s just as fine for men to reject non-cooking non-vacuuming women as sexy. To each their own. If you don’t like the expectations, find a guy who doesn’t have them. We’re out there. Just realize that if someone has lower expectations of you than stereotypical society, they might resent you having stereotyped expectations and not fulfill them either.

    >Mimi: “Am I the only woman who does not care about a man’s earning potential?”

    No, but the group you are in is a minority. Also consider many of us rationally skeptical that it “comes last” on your list. It’s a stretch enough, looking at societal trends, to believe this isn’t one of the top reasons that motivate women, much less to think something silly like it being on the bottom. Earning potential wouldn’t even be the bottom consideration men have for women. A woman’s earning potential probably on average matters less to men than a man’s earning potential does to a woman, but I don’t think it’s going to be the bottom consideration in either scenario.

    Just because women don’t verbally put money on the list doesn’t mean it actually isn’t. People leave it out often due to shame, realizing that it’s a double standard that is sometimes condemned as shallow or suggests comparisons to prostitution. Expectations like work, having a lifestyle that allows you to be attractive, are all tied to income anyway. Not being strapped for cash tends to make people freer to care for others and tell jokes too.

    >Mimi “why this widespread belief that women are interested in a man’s wallet above all?”

    It’s hard to take this question seriously. Follow the dollars. Compare the wealth and how much money is earned by husbands and wives. Obviously women are interested in other characteristics, and these could rank above wealth, but there is an overwhelming comparative interest in it by comparison.

    >Muzolf “Women scream at you for sympathy all day, but don`t ever expect any in return. They are incapable of it.”

    I found this a bit of a difficult read. Initially when you said “don’t ever expect any” I thought you were saying “women don’t ever expect any” but then realized you were talking to men reading the sentence. Could be rephrased to be less confusing :)

    Anywho, women are not incapable of sympathy, that’s silly. I’m not even sure I would say they are less capable of sympathizing than men are. They could actually be equally or more capable of sympathizing. But it’s not capability that’s the issue here, it’s motivation and actual tendency.

    Capacity aside, women are not as conditioned to sympathize with the plights of men as they are with each other’s and as men are with women’s plights. Women tend to make a big show of saying they care about feelings, but it feels lacking in genuineness. There’s an interesting comic I read a month or so ago which highlights that, where a girlfriend asks a guy to open up and then grows disgusted with him when he actually does so and reveals weakness and hurt to her.

    That seems like the primary reason, though a secondary one could also be that men are also less conditioned to actively seek or accept sympathy or to express themselves so as to communicate a need for it even passively.

  21. ProtoEve says:

    “Statistics are also skewed because men are less likely to understand if they have been raped, less likely to report being raped, and less likely to have those accusations taken seriously. ”

    Just like not every sexually assaulted woman files a report.

    “You can “men are shamed from reporting due to patriarchy” all you like but that doesn’t change the reality.”

    I haven’t even mentioned the patriarchy, I don’t know why you’re addressing this to me.

  22. Zombified says:

    “Such alcohol focus, surely one can get laid without getting drunk, especially in comitted relationships. CM Punk would not approve.”
    of course you don’t HAVE to be drunk, it’s just sometimes more fun and sometimes beer goggles help if it’s a one night stand but you gotta get drunk after you pick her up because if you get drunk before… you might wake up next to godzilla. i had to look up the name “CM Punk” and my advice would be not to listen to someone who makes money by aggressively caressing other grown men while wearing a speedo and knee high boots.

  23. shian says:

    Muzolf,

    *Because* you are not a man; – you don’t know what a woman is.

    Be a man, or stop humiliating your self with your childish and whiny comments. While you are trying hard to look as an intelligent person – you are far from being such. Any further conversation with a person like you is useless.

  24. Androgynous says:

    Muzolf has posted a lot of interesting posts here at IHM.org over the years. He is allowed to rant if he wants to.

    Women calling it venting when women do it, and whining when men do it though.

  25. shazz says:

    @shian: Tone it down please. Muz is a member here and has the same right to vent as the women do.

  26. Zombified says:

    hey shazz, i wanted to do this thing on halloween but i didn’t think it would be approved of. i want to know what everybody thinks about each other. i think it would bring us closer together lol. Muzolf did something like a while back.

  27. Zombified says:

    *something like it a while back

  28. Zombified says:

    i can’t

  29. shazz says:

    LOL… okkkkk. Is there a reason or you would just like me to let it die a natural death and forget you mentioned it?

  30. Zombified says:

    i’d like you to slice it’s carotid artery, stab it in the heart and shoot it in the head… i don’t know how to do it.

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